Was it Andrew Charles? :-)

This is retarded how can this be happening.
How can we raise our kids in a community like this.
It is worse then Sderot and Beirut together.
What happened to the the 3rd strike rule.
There are more than 3 times the amount of incidents as there are criminals.
This is terrorism and it cannot be (but is) tolerated.

were did all the police go when we need them most

they crossed the line!!!

crown heights is a mess!

Summer is coming, the animals are going to be out of their cages (school) for 10 weeks. WE MUST HAVE MORE COPS PATROLLING!

All security patrols must patrol 24/7. Parents must supervise their kids. Don't let litttle kids ride their bikes unsupervised. And we adults must be alert for trouble, even during the day. Look around you...we can sense problems if we are vigilant.Carry a cell phone in your hand with 911 or Shomrim ready to be called.

well In my humble opinion I suggest everyone should purchase A machine gun in case we are drafted to Us army; who knows what obama will do next

PS don't vote
its not polite

As A man at the scene I feel that the child needs a second chance all he wanted was a hug

stop calling cops
start loving

call 311 on that crosing gard lets send her packing all she does the whole day is sings her church music

from that picture i could tell you that that kid was up to no good

cops is not what we need, we all volounteer to patrol...

I'm glad to see the new NYPD PATROL IS “helping” to deter these incidens LOL !

1 unified patrol, 1 community and I doubt you would have such problems

B“H

The ”unofficial“ policy of the 71st Precinct in the summer is:

When there's a ”he said“,”he said“ complaint by a Jew against a Black person, the police will either arrest neither of them (neither the Jew nor the Black person), or they will arrest both of them!

This is supposedly to prevent race riots, which are supposedly more likely during the summer!

So, instead of the thugs hurting us en masse, they get to get away with hurting us one-at-a-time, like the poor fellow who got hit hard enough to get knocked out and his head busted open! And the poor minding-his-own-business Yid who got threatened, out-of-the-blue, by the shouting-in-his-face perpetrator.

The Jewish victims are lucky the police didn't arrest THEM. I speak from experience:

A relative of mine lodged a complaint to the 71st last summer, against a Black person who went on a tirade outside our home, raging and cursing against the Jews and trying to incite passersby to join him (B”H unsuccessfully!).

The police officers arrived and quickly called for reinforcements, who promptly made up an impossible story that my relative had done “disorderly conduct,” tightly handcuffed this relative, and took him away!

(We're told that only AFTER they made this theatrical scene against my relative, the 71st also quietly and politely issued a similar ticket to the original perpetrator he'd called them about.)

So, the bottom line is, if any of us Yidden has a reason to call the 71st to complain against any offense by a Black person in Crown Heights, Hashem should help, because the 71st will likely only make it worse!

A local seasoned Yiddishe attorney advised us that, from now on, the only time a Yid can hope for justice in such a situation is if the Black person is actually seen in the act by the Police. And even THAT is a maybe!

As for that Crossing Guard, well, let's just say she'll get her “heavenly reward” . . . .

IM SURE THEY CAN TAKE THE ROCK THAT WAS THROWN AT THE PERSON (who lost consious)AND PROVE THAT THE BLACK IS AT FUALT AND MAKE THAT CROSSING GUARD LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT NO NEED TO GET SO RILED UP

is this the crossing guard who sings her high pitch songs every morning at the corner of ULY>> I see her now in a different light..when push comes to shove, they are all anti semites!

hear that :jews are chasing black: police come right away

The school should have the crossing guard removed. She can't be relied upon to take care of our children. So much for her being “devoted” to the welfare of our kids. I went to my car today, parked up Albany & I could hear her singing her gospel Yoshke songs. DISGUSTING!

As for the thug...he knocks someone bloody & unconscious & the cops don't arrest him? ARE YOU SHOMRIM MEMBERS LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH THAT????

“When ”another website“ set out to report positive news from Crown Heights”

“News and media outlets tend to be compulsive when it comes to the morbid and dark side of life, over-emphasizing drama, crime, conflict, hate and death.”

“We grew tired of the tasteless reporting of infighting and car crashes. And so did you.”

Question?

why are they carrying this story, and why are they taking sides.

Is ULY going to keep her as a crossing guard?
I will call the school to find out tomorrow, i dont want her “ensuring the safety” of my sons, I no longer trust her.

this are the Soldiers of mr simoneety the big friend of the jews who for the good of the community started the COP Criminals On Patrol .
please simonetty and your friends go away from us back to nazi germany

shomrim shouldn't be handing criminals to criminals. They should deal with the violent ones themselves.

Those cops are accomplices!!!

when you by her do not say hello protest get rid of her

cops are useless. if anything ever happens to anybody i know and i witness it they're going down. COPS ARE USELESS EXPERIENCE SAYS SO.

new vaad hakahal,, where are u?? Elie Poltorak???? Zev Cadaner?? Heiligeh Chanina??

let that stupied crossing gaurd get a life

This is what happened when you have people in the community making nice all day with the police. The police end up neutralizing them and we are left with nobody to stick up for us.

Where is the new Vaad?
Where is the COP/Shmira?

The only ones I see at this time sticking up for the Jewish community it the volunteers of Shomrim.

Thank g-d shomrim didn't join the police department.

The police work for us, not us for them!

The only thing Chanina and the COP/shmira is good for is locking up other Jews, don't expect them to help get a Jew out!

As we've heard before: “Every Jew a 22...”- they fear nothing else. Now with less Cops for OUR purposes (for tickets there are more than enough)we can't rely on them, and as we live in a war-zone, we must protect ourselves- according to Halacha we must do something physical, too.

Happy and healthy summer to us all.
Moshiach NOW!!!

I'm confused. If the guy said something to you...why did the Jews start chasing him? Isn't that asking for trouble? Wouldn't ignoring comments be the best approach?

Crown & Albany resident wrote:
“As for the thug...he knocks someone bloody & unconscious & the cops don't arrest him? ARE YOU SHOMRIM MEMBERS LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH THAT????”

In this respect we are all Shomrim members, lets not forget the people in Shomrim are our people, they are us and we are them, they live here, they work here and they (like you) have families here.
The real question is “ARE WE ”THE COMMUNITY" MEMBERS GOING TO LET THIS HAPPEN????

“new vaad hakahal,, where are u?? Elie Poltorak???? Zev Cadaner?? Heiligeh Chanina??”

They are by the police station drinking with the officers and waiting for the photo op with AntiSemitetti. They will no doubt thank them for all the great service to our community.

“confused wrote:

I'm confused. If the guy said something to you...why did the Jews start chasing him? Isn't that asking for trouble? Wouldn't ignoring comments be the best approach?”

No. You don't want to give an impressionable teen the idea that if you victimize us Jews, we will turn the cheek. We have to respond. We aren't Obama's sheeple. We aren't waiting for CH Riots II. When confronted, DON'T turn the other cheek.

lets make a protest against the police
whose with me

lets make a big demonstration this sunday afternoon and have the entire community come out!!!

Chanina just wants in good with Bloomberg for photos and kovod. But where is the famed Clarence Darrow of the CHJCC Poltorek the Lawyer? why isn't he screaming down the neck of Simonetti and Kelly? He's just another huffer and puffer. He blew down the Shack of Rubashkin but can't match bloomberg's billions.

why is the jew being arrested????????????????????

seem more worried about parking your scooters then catching the perp.

You guys are busy just standing around and NOT in the pct. causing a rukkes.

You guys allowed for simoneti to push you away from this scene.

NOW LOOK WHAT HAPPAND!!!!

For a demonstration to work we need the entire community to be there, it also has to be in front of city hall, not a police station. A bridge will also work.

We also need to write letters to our representatives both of senate and of state. Does someone have a good idea of which representatives we should write to?

to confused: who wrote, why is the jew being arrested?

rumors are that the inspector who was at the scene, pushed shomrim away from the site, and had their scooters ticketed, and some are now saying that due to the fact that our since shomrim are not allowing the police to take the organization over he will make sure to arrest a yid at every crime scene.

Politics are great they keep us entertained, and the world abuz... most of the time even when we dont like what one person has to say, or what the other guy does...it ok bc its a matter of an opinion...

for example

in searching the other websites, i see one posts the story but he does it in a way were he posts his opinion by purposly leaving out the name of the organization who helped catch the perp.
this part is ok (se that opinon)

but what hurts me is the lack of covering the story from everyone... JEWS BLOOD WAS SPILLED.... what is wrong with you...

heres the scarry part

i called a freind some one involved in all this political crap and he says, its not so simple... “WE” are doing this to get shomrim out of the way.

THIS PART IS REALLY TOO MUCH

WHOOOOOOS SIDE ARE YOU ON

I DONT GIVE A DAM ABOUT VP OR SP WE ARE ALL BROTHERS...

what with the “WE”

did any “observers” come?

anyone know the “suspect's” name?

Complaint about Police.
800-341-2272

Complaints about City (Public Elected Advacate).
212-669-7200

Lubavitch Yeshiva Staff
http://www.yttl.org/staff.htm

Does anyone have the badge number of the police officer?

Lately there were lots of problems with these people that we hire at our private Yeshivos, financed with our own tuition!
(look at the theft that happend a few weeks ago in oholei torah dorm)
dont give them jobs that keep them in the neighborhood!
you will loose in the long run

??why is brooklyn, brooklyn ??
Why did the black that looks close to twenty start and say anything to someone they never met ? “Bad Blood”
Any history of verbal outbursts during the past days,weeks months years
to this day there is plenty of unwarranted noise at plenty of places in the world
a true account of events are neccessary before really taking sides unless you are a mm kippah wearing bochur then you take sides because your brother got hit with a rock
so if sides are being taken what is your position for a battle that might be fought for?????? if it is rights?????

the Rebbe gave us the solution ,we need to start a very intensive sheva mitzvos bnei noach campaign.
starting in crown heights and continuing in the world on television and everywhere.
YOGATO OUMOTZATO TAAMIN

when are we going to work very very hard on sheva mitzvos bnei noach?
as well ,when there is trouble in the world the yidden have to daven.
the world is blessed through the yidden.
Its up to us to bring moshiach now.

from this article its mashma all the kid did was scream in someones face, not that big a deal. dont chase he wont through a rock

To we are all Shomrim members

YOU took it upon YOURSELVES to protect us. YOU want the scooters, the caps & jackets. With the trappings & labels goes responsibility. If you were there, as the pictures confirm, are you saying you are too frightened to do anything to protest this gross miscarriage of justice? If so, move over & stop bellyaching about “opposition” security patrols muscling in on YOUR turf.

Now post this!

The police understend court and judges.
lets start a JEWISH DEFENS FUND for CROWN HEIGHTS
and start a suite for every misconduct by police.
this is so easy to do and so effective.
i am willing to give the fist 18,000 that should cover like 10 actions.

y not put the new vadd hakall to the wall on this?

all they want is pictures and power.

i was at the station yesterday and the police made it very clear.

“it is okay for chanina to ask us to arrest certain jews? but when we do it it is not okay?”

Shomrims job ended with the apprehension of the perpetrator. which they so professionally did. Anything else goes beyond the call of duty.

What did you expect, that they have themselves arrested?!

WE ALL SEE HOW THE COMMUNITY IS SUPPORTING SHOMRIM THROUGHOUT THEIR GZIERA WITH THE 749 BLOOD LIABLE. ITS AMAZING THEY ARE EVEN STILL ON THE STREETS PROTECTING US AT ALL.

The crossing guard should not be here. she is supposed to be watching our jewish children? for ULY? get her out she obviously hates jews and must be removed. if you have kids in that scholl demand she be replaced!!

Why don't we have Jewish Crossing Guards?
Unfortunately there are enough unemployed Crown Heights residents right now and I am sure they would jump at the chance to earn some money and have a steady income.
Likewise custodian jobs could be offered to Jewish residents of Crown Heights too - if people really needed the money and really wanted to work they would take those jobs.

you are right.

chanina in election speach (although it was incoherent) you were able to hear him say that in his years at the vadd hakall he helped get 8 peole jobs.

imagine that..he is in vadd hakall 9 years and that is all he did.

when he was asked who they were he was only able to mention 2 names. he said he forgot who the other ones were LOL

to get pepole local goverment jobs is excatly what the vadd hakals job is. but for that you dont have p

This Story Sounds Like Eliezer in Sedom that he got a rock thrown at him and he was convicted!

Iran is the Angel & will take care of “Dimoloshing” Sedom

how is it possible that this guy wont continue throwing rocks and wont start with guns?

BS"D
Refuah Shelaima!
I agree with 2 comments.
Why get all riled up and chase a Black for
acting 'crazy' or 'weird?'
I wouldn't pay him any mind.
Anyone who answers a fool is also a fool.

shomrim should get a few trained german shepards. criminals will be afraid of shomrim much more if they each had a german shepard on their side.

Where is the “new” Vaad?
They are a little busy now...

Suing other Yidden (see for yourself and come to your own conclusion).

http://machanemenachem.word...
This is where all our time, money and energy is being spent.

It's a situation gone bad, The Shomrim or anyone who stops him get a Biblical Mitzva “Lo tamoed al dome reacho” I remember shomrim holding a black man on Eastern Parkway and cars were stopping yelling that they are watching him if they beat him up... why would we want to beat him if he is held down? we aren't cops neither is Hatzolo Ambulance .. But the Black community has a sharp memory of the slavery = but that was very long Ago, before dad was born,

is that the crossing guard that sings chazonis

KAN ZIVA HASHEM AT HABERACHA, its a wake up calling,lets go back to our homeland.and stop pritanding that we are in SHELIHOOS

ENOUGH WITH ALL THE “SMART” COMMENTS. CROWN HEIGHTS DESERVES WHAT THEY GET, BECAUSE ALL WE DO IS TALK AND MAKE COMMENTS. WHEN WE SHOULD BE MAKING THE BIGGEST NOISE AND PROTESTS ABOUT THESE INCIDENTS. I KNOW THAT CROSSING GUARD AND SHE HAS PROVEN HERSELF MANY TIMES TO BACK BLACK YOUTH WHEN THEY START UP WITH THE YESHIVA BOYS. SHE WAS NOT THERE WHEN THIS INCIDENT TOOK PLACE HOW CAN SHE BE A WITNESS? AND BECAUSE SHE IS SO BIASED HOW CAN HER WORD CARRY ANY WEIGHT?! THE PARENTS OF LUBAVITCHER YESHIVAH SHOULD SIGN A PROTEST LETTER TO WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE OF THAT DEPARTMENT DEMANDING THAT SHE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS AREA. OUR LACK OF REACTION IS WHAT ALLOWS THE POLICE TO REACT THIS WAY.

instead of babbling here we should be protesting in every form possible. also, the parents of the lubavitcher yeshiva should protest having this crossing guard there, she is racist and anti semitic. I live on that corner and have witnessed a number of her racist attlitudes. IF WE DON'T PROTEST THEN WE DESERVE WHAT WE'RE GETTING

The incident originated on Albany Avenue between Union and President Streets where the juvenile accosted the Jewish yungerman by shouting in his face in attempt to scare him, the victim turned and shouted back “what are you doing?” and the assailant fled down Albany.

A number of witnesses joined in and gave chase, at the intersection of President and Albany an altercation broke out where the Black teen slammed a hard object into the head of one of the witnesses, causing him loose consciousness and drawing blood from the wound.
I dont think this is a reason to chase the black teen. He for sure has a case. He was being chased by a bunch of jewish kids and acted in self defense. he should have been ignored, unless he physically touched the jew.

“A number of witnesses joined in and gave chase,” Were these Jewish witnesses or black? Did Jews beat him up? Is the black man also being arrested?

If it were a black person being hit unconscious, this story would have made news headlines.

They have Sharpton and Barren who do we have?

what is this Sedom here, get hurt and you get arrested!!

That's why we need video cameras on every block. If there is any video footage it would show what really happened and the police would be forced to acknowledge the truth upon viewing a copy of it (unless they would rather be embarrased by having it played in the media).

All she saw was the attacker being chased how is she supposed to know he attacked?

so you volenteer

Seriously, if you look at it from an outsider's perspective, it does seem that the black was being chased for no good reason (remember, he hadn't physically attacked anyone) by a mob of angry people bent on accosting him (as they in fact were). We need not to overreact and cry “wolf” at every little thing.

All these cute comments about the crossing guard's loud “Chazzonis” and singing is naiveté and belies the fact that she is passively proselytizing our Jewish children and obviously biased.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine who is at fault here. And for this guard to defend this creep is extremely troubling. If something happened to one of the kids, G-d forbid, would she defend the perp, as she did now?

We need an honest professional protecting our children, not some nutcase wearing a big cross and treating our kids like they're in her Sunday church choir.

How far have we fallen?! In the old days, they hired the Baal Shem Tov to watch the kids. Today we hire a missionary blasting christian songs right outside the Yeshiva and no-one gives it a second thought.

Maybe we should start rioting like they do!
Just Joking
Al Sharpten for president 2012!!!

now the police are back roaming the streets like maniacts giving fake tickets!
why?
Because we do nothing!!!!!!!!!!

NEVER PAY THEIR TICKETS always fight it (But you MUST show up in court or you loose your license),
the police might not show up, and even if they do they ALWAYS lie, you just need to prove it!
if you just pay the tickets it will cost you lots of future problems (driving history etc.)

ATT: HOW COME YOU SHOMRIM GUYS?!

How dare you? How can you accuse a 24/7 volunteer group of not catching the perp!
I'd like to see you running out there with the same zealousness as them.
That's all.
I hope you read this comment.

Thank You Shomrim

mushky you make a point thank you shomrim supporter

<b>ATT: Mushky Supporter, Thanks</b>

Well, I just wanted to tell the police department of Crown Heights... just go to hell! Some of you cops sucks! Shame on you guys! Good people never fight bad people! It's so stupid of you all to arrest good innocent people! Especially all you witness, by the way, don't give those cops “oh he did it, no he did it ” ---- you are making that jew feel bad. Who knows who started the whole thing? That black man should be held in prison for at least 90 days or more! I an crying really hard right now... All crown heights answer me! Are there any peace that can possibly ever happen or never?!

Cops of NY, please be nice! Peace! Love! Help jews instead of being an ---hole! You know what it's like to be in crown heights? full of junks all over crown heights. Have a nice day in hell cops! Try your best of everything!

this is so retarded!

<font face="Times New Roman" size="+3" color="#ff0000">Yasher Koach to Rabbi Wolf!</font>

The incident between this black teen and the Jewish residents was quite unfortunate, and however bad this isolated incident was, I'm disturbed more by many of the comments that have been posted.

For such a united community it astonishes me that the Jewish community has yet to realize the problem in the belief that you are victims is part of the reason why you continue to get victimized.

Some of you seem to think of those outside of your community to be predators of some sort, and because that is how you view them this is how they act. If you had an ugly duckling and you treated it like a beautiful swan, it would act like a beautiful swan (a bit remixed, but hopefully you get the point).

This is the understanding I'm taking from reading not just this article but several different articles posted on this website; Articles in which you continually choose to throw in the race of the police officer, or perpretator, or victim, as if that is the reason why such offense was committed. If you can't see past the the skin color you'll never understand the problem, and if you don't understand the problem, how are you going to find the solution.

Despite this, each community will defend their own. An example would be in another article I've read. A commenter suggested, I'm assuming as an attempt to defend the integrity of the Jewish community in relation with the police, to fight all tickets, whether they were warranted or not. A lie is a sin, there are no small sins or big sins, whether it's to defend or not. Who's to say that in such a tight community, those in this community would not say what would be most biased in helping to their community.

I'm saying this in response to of some of the comments o the crossing guard. There are thousands of people in the Crown Heights community, white, black, hispanic, who have varying views from that of the Hasidic Jews. For a some people in the Jewish Commmunity (those who have commented on this board) you are quite bigoted. It's something I don't understand especially from a group who has experience bigotry throughout Judaism's 4,000+ year existence. One that far surpasses the bigotry experienced by the black community.

First she obviously did not see the original incident with the first individual. What she saw was the response, the Jewish community trying to catch the perpetrator. And that is what she witnessed to. I don't know what happened from that point other than what has been posted on this site.

People continually talk about respect, but one cannot command the respect of another when he/she continually debases the other in his/her mind. Outwardly actions always express the thoughts. That thinking will only breed more victims, in both communities.

The comments I've read on this articles and others are quite telling of what the Jewish community in Crown Heights feels. Of course I realize that the exact thoughts of those who have commented may only represent a small fraction of the CH Jewish population.

I am in no way trying to defend that young man. He deserved a punishment equitable to the crime he committed. If the cops felt that the parents were capable of administering that level of punishment, then that's their call to make (he is a juvenile, with a juvenile mind despite his size).

Again, I am not defending that young man or anyone who commits a similar crime, there just seem to be a bigger problem at hand that seemingly is not overtly seen by those who have chosen to comment.

You write that a “LEI is a SIN”

I dont know who you are but

Why are you defending the Police for LYING and Arresting a crime victim?
thats alot worse than a Lie

Giving out fake tickets is worse than stealing and far more worse than lying!?

you seem a bit mixed up

This crossgaurd

1-workes for at least a year with Jews and she knows that Jews don't “Chase after innocent people”. She obiously knows the big difference between the Jewish Community and their neighbors.

2- Why out of the entire Albany Av. She was The one to call the police to defened the young man?!
simply
She is surely a Jew Hater and should not be working to “protect” Jewish children!!

you wirte well and you have some important points.
but
You are “disturbed more by many of the comments”
I guese writing comments that dont agree with your agendas are worse than throwing a rock and sending someone to the emergency room??
are you realy serious??

Crown Heights is horrible!!!! NEVER MOVE HERE BIG MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats Just Horrible not right at all. There isn't enough being done to protect the ppl who live in crown heights and the parents arent doing enough to make sure their children stay out of trouble.. I live on Utica Ave and the hallway of my building is used as a public baby sitter no one is watching these children enough this is why teens and pre teens get into trouble the parents do not care enough.. PARENTS get involved try harder!!!!!!!!!